Iran Air Force Su-24MK Fencer Crash ?!!
An Iran Air Force Su-24MK Fencer crashed at Mehrabad airport in Tehran on 14 April 2008,
The aircrew, the pilot and a weapons system operator, successfully ejected seconds before the impact.so awesome!!!
the frames are so clear,it shows its engine malfunction, the pilots stayed in cockpit untill the last moments...
The aircrew, the pilot and a weapons system operator, successfully ejected seconds before the impact.so awesome!!!
the frames are so clear,it shows its engine malfunction, the pilots stayed in cockpit untill the last moments...
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I have one... says..
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Originally posted by wengy
The Iranian airforce has more air-to-air combat experience in recent memory than the U.S. by far, and more recent experience than even the Israelis.
With who?
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Granted the US has more planes and more flights, but with F-15s disintegrating in mid-air, a B2 crashing and burning on take-off, a C-130 falling into a runway pothole, and a B-52 disappearing into the Pacific likely because of pilot error - mispositioned trim setting - does this lone Iranian accident really look any worse?
The number of hours flown by the Iranians in 2008 pales in comparison to the number of hours flown by the US. I'd be willing to bet that just the training bases have more flight hours and sorties per year than the entire Iranian AF. So yes we have more accidents, but the accident rate is so ridiculously low, it's not even funny.
Not to mention the US is actively flying combat sorties in two 'theaters.' What have the Iranians done recently, as in since the Iran-Iraq war?
By the way, many of the accidents you posted took place on training sorties. They are also a list of Class A mishaps, not just crashes. For instance, the F-22 you have listed ingested FOD...resulting in over $1 million in damage to the engine. Hence a Class A mishap, but not a crash.
Originally posted by wengy
The Iranian airforce has more air-to-air combat experience in recent memory than the U.S. by far, and more recent experience than even the Israelis.
With who?
Quote:
Granted the US has more planes and more flights, but with F-15s disintegrating in mid-air, a B2 crashing and burning on take-off, a C-130 falling into a runway pothole, and a B-52 disappearing into the Pacific likely because of pilot error - mispositioned trim setting - does this lone Iranian accident really look any worse?
The number of hours flown by the Iranians in 2008 pales in comparison to the number of hours flown by the US. I'd be willing to bet that just the training bases have more flight hours and sorties per year than the entire Iranian AF. So yes we have more accidents, but the accident rate is so ridiculously low, it's not even funny.
Not to mention the US is actively flying combat sorties in two 'theaters.' What have the Iranians done recently, as in since the Iran-Iraq war?
By the way, many of the accidents you posted took place on training sorties. They are also a list of Class A mishaps, not just crashes. For instance, the F-22 you have listed ingested FOD...resulting in over $1 million in damage to the engine. Hence a Class A mishap, but not a crash.
Posted 1 Year Ago
I have one... says..
None of us were inside the jet, and no one seems to know the reason for the crash. However, getting into such gross pilot induced oscillations (p.i.o.) is either a mechanical issue or pilot error.
Anyways, depending on weight and landing configuration, a go around is almost always an option in a twin-engine combat aircraft. The Su-24 has something like 13,000 lbs of thrust per engine, and it's essentially center line thrust at that. So barring a hydraulic issue, there's no reason why they couldn't have gone around.
From what I could see, it seems what ever started venting/leaking, it occurs about 1:12.
Anyways, depending on weight and landing configuration, a go around is almost always an option in a twin-engine combat aircraft. The Su-24 has something like 13,000 lbs of thrust per engine, and it's essentially center line thrust at that. So barring a hydraulic issue, there's no reason why they couldn't have gone around.
From what I could see, it seems what ever started venting/leaking, it occurs about 1:12.
Posted 1 Year Ago
Alex says..
No comment .
I can understand the stressfull situation, I m not sure I would have done better :-( .
But the crash clearly result in a basic mistake for the pilot.
Anyway , it is always easy to comment the events of a crash while at home
having a beer watching TV .
But, as far as I can understand the situation, a GO-AROUND would have been a good option after the 2nd bounce. Of course without using after burner.
Initial, after the 1st bounce, maintening a nose up body attitude with iddle thrust ( maybe 10° or something ) would have sold the situation .
Hopefully, nobody has been injurded.
In fact their skill saved their life
No comment .
I can understand the stressfull situation, I m not sure I would have done better :-( .
But the crash clearly result in a basic mistake for the pilot.
Anyway , it is always easy to comment the events of a crash while at home
having a beer watching TV .
But, as far as I can understand the situation, a GO-AROUND would have been a good option after the 2nd bounce. Of course without using after burner.
Initial, after the 1st bounce, maintening a nose up body attitude with iddle thrust ( maybe 10° or something ) would have sold the situation .
Hopefully, nobody has been injurded.
Posted 1 Year Ago
dankek says..
to fast landing they have a engine problem but i think the pilot gives full throutle to stay on air when she came for landing she is to fast and the aircraft begon after first touch down to jump after bouncing on last jump the aircraft wont to go up and the pilots pitch the aircraft down to hard and like you see the landing gears fails and pilots ejected safety simply logics
Posted 1 Year Ago
Weng says..
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Here's a mostly complete list of US Air Force accidents for 2008, it does not include the 12 or so US Navy and Marine crashes for 2008.
1 Nov 07 - F-22A - Nellis AFB, NV (ACC)
2 Nov 07 - F-15C - Lambert Field IAP, MO (ACC)
28 Nov 07 - 2 T-6As - Near Gunshy Auxiliary Airfield, MS (AETC)
29 Nov 07 - HH-60G - AOR (PACAF)
15 Jan 08 - F-16C - Gulf of Mexico, West of Key West, FL (ACC)
Feb 08 - F-15D - Hickam AFB, HI (PACAF)
20 Feb 08 - 2 F-15Cs - Gulf of Mexico, South of Tyndall AFB, FL (ACC)
23 Feb 08 - B-2A - Andersen AFB, Guam (ACC)
7 Mar 08 - B-1B - Andersen AFB, Guam (ACC)
14 Mar 08 - F-16C - 71 miles NW of Luke AFB, AZ (AETC)
20 Mar 08 - B-1B - Ellsworth AFB, SD (ACC)
2 Apr 08 - F-16D - Gila Bend Auxiliary Field, near Luke AFB, AZ (AETC)
4 Apr 08 - B-1B - AOR (ACC)
23 Apr 08 - T-38C - Columbus AFB, MS (AETC)
1 May 08 - T-38C - Sheppard AFB, TX (AETC)
1 May 08 - E-9A - Tallahassee Int%u2019l Airport, FL (ACC)
21 May 08 - T-1A - Laughlin AFB, TX (AETC)
4 Jun 08 - T-6 - Vance AFB, OK (AETC)
5 Jun 08 - PC-12 - Panama City Bay County Airport, FL (AFSOC)
27 Jun 08 - C-130H - AOR (AMC)
8 Jul 08 - PC-12 - Hurlburt Field, FL (AFSOC)
21 Jul 08 - B-52H - Andersen AFB, Guam (ACC)
30 Jul 08 - F-15D - Nellis AFB, NV (ACC)
Originally posted by wengy
Weird, you'd think he would have made up his mind and choose to either land or take-off again, but not try both repeatedly. I also think it's a common misconception that Iran puts it's pilots into the air in sub par equipment and that Iran's pilots are in some way sub-par themselves. The Iranian airforce has more air-to-air combat experience in recent memory than the U.S. by far, and more recent experience than even the Israelis. The country is not broke, and they have a budding aircraft industry themselves. I think the lack of new aircraft and spares is more a result of economic sanctions than lack of money. Besides, the American's own equipment is failing apart probably faster than Iran's equipment, and considering how many U.S. aircraft crash or fall from the sky due to equipment failures or pilot error, this Iranian accident actually seems trivial in comparison. Granted the US has more planes and more flights, but with F-15s disintegrating in mid-air, a B2 crashing and burning on take-off, a C-130 falling into a runway pothole, and a B-52 disappearing into the Pacific likely because of pilot error - mispositioned trim setting - does this lone Iranian accident really look any worse?
Weird, you'd think he would have made up his mind and choose to either land or take-off again, but not try both repeatedly. I also think it's a common misconception that Iran puts it's pilots into the air in sub par equipment and that Iran's pilots are in some way sub-par themselves. The Iranian airforce has more air-to-air combat experience in recent memory than the U.S. by far, and more recent experience than even the Israelis. The country is not broke, and they have a budding aircraft industry themselves. I think the lack of new aircraft and spares is more a result of economic sanctions than lack of money. Besides, the American's own equipment is failing apart probably faster than Iran's equipment, and considering how many U.S. aircraft crash or fall from the sky due to equipment failures or pilot error, this Iranian accident actually seems trivial in comparison. Granted the US has more planes and more flights, but with F-15s disintegrating in mid-air, a B2 crashing and burning on take-off, a C-130 falling into a runway pothole, and a B-52 disappearing into the Pacific likely because of pilot error - mispositioned trim setting - does this lone Iranian accident really look any worse?
Here's a mostly complete list of US Air Force accidents for 2008, it does not include the 12 or so US Navy and Marine crashes for 2008.
1 Nov 07 - F-22A - Nellis AFB, NV (ACC)
2 Nov 07 - F-15C - Lambert Field IAP, MO (ACC)
28 Nov 07 - 2 T-6As - Near Gunshy Auxiliary Airfield, MS (AETC)
29 Nov 07 - HH-60G - AOR (PACAF)
15 Jan 08 - F-16C - Gulf of Mexico, West of Key West, FL (ACC)
Feb 08 - F-15D - Hickam AFB, HI (PACAF)
20 Feb 08 - 2 F-15Cs - Gulf of Mexico, South of Tyndall AFB, FL (ACC)
23 Feb 08 - B-2A - Andersen AFB, Guam (ACC)
7 Mar 08 - B-1B - Andersen AFB, Guam (ACC)
14 Mar 08 - F-16C - 71 miles NW of Luke AFB, AZ (AETC)
20 Mar 08 - B-1B - Ellsworth AFB, SD (ACC)
2 Apr 08 - F-16D - Gila Bend Auxiliary Field, near Luke AFB, AZ (AETC)
4 Apr 08 - B-1B - AOR (ACC)
23 Apr 08 - T-38C - Columbus AFB, MS (AETC)
1 May 08 - T-38C - Sheppard AFB, TX (AETC)
1 May 08 - E-9A - Tallahassee Int%u2019l Airport, FL (ACC)
21 May 08 - T-1A - Laughlin AFB, TX (AETC)
4 Jun 08 - T-6 - Vance AFB, OK (AETC)
5 Jun 08 - PC-12 - Panama City Bay County Airport, FL (AFSOC)
27 Jun 08 - C-130H - AOR (AMC)
8 Jul 08 - PC-12 - Hurlburt Field, FL (AFSOC)
21 Jul 08 - B-52H - Andersen AFB, Guam (ACC)
30 Jul 08 - F-15D - Nellis AFB, NV (ACC)
Posted 1 Year Ago
Weng says..
Weird, you'd think he would have made up his mind and choose to either land or take-off again, but not try both repeatedly. I also think it's a common misconception that Iran puts it's pilots into the air in sub par equipment and that Iran's pilots are in some way sub-par themselves. The Iranian airforce has more air-to-air combat experience in recent memory than the U.S. by far, and more recent experience than even the Israelis. The country is not broke, and they have a budding aircraft industry themselves. I think the lack of new aircraft and spares is more a result of economic sanctions than lack of money. Besides, the American's own equipment is failing apart probably faster than Iran's equipment, and considering how many U.S. aircraft crash or fall from the sky due to equipment failures or pilot error, this Iranian accident actually seems trivial in comparison. Granted the US has more planes and more flights, but with F-15s disintegrating in mid-air, a B2 crashing and burning on take-off, a C-130 falling into a runway pothole, and a B-52 disappearing into the Pacific likely because of pilot error - mispositioned trim setting - does this lone Iranian accident really look any worse?
Posted 1 Year Ago
Johannes Gebhard says..
That was one hell of a bad landing. A real Kangaroo landing.
Posted 1 Year Ago
James Black says..
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What a silly thing to say.
Originally posted by Aircraftsman_Snog
One less for the Isralies to deal with, not that it would have been much trouble.
One less for the Isralies to deal with, not that it would have been much trouble.
What a silly thing to say.
Posted 1 Year Ago
Mike says..
Wow!!! absolutely a rare video!!!
the smoke completely shows engine fire, which results in high decrease in thrust which is deadly for a huge bird like Su-24, it is obvious that the control of this bird ran away from the crew, but crew ejected on time,any delay could cause their bad death
the smoke completely shows engine fire, which results in high decrease in thrust which is deadly for a huge bird like Su-24, it is obvious that the control of this bird ran away from the crew, but crew ejected on time,any delay could cause their bad death
Posted 1 Year Ago
Chad Taylor says..
Quote:
agreed...
Originally posted by engineguy
The white smoke certainly supports the engine malfunction story. It does not, however explain the botched landing. That's the pilot screwing up. Worn out equipment, poor maintenance and poor training. Put them all together, and it's going be be interesting.....
The white smoke certainly supports the engine malfunction story. It does not, however explain the botched landing. That's the pilot screwing up. Worn out equipment, poor maintenance and poor training. Put them all together, and it's going be be interesting.....
agreed...
Posted 1 Year Ago
M. Osborne says..
The white smoke certainly supports the engine malfunction story. It does not, however explain the botched landing. That's the pilot screwing up. Worn out equipment, poor maintenance and poor training. Put them all together, and it's going be be interesting.....
Posted 1 Year Ago
T E Lawrence says..
One less for the Isralies to deal with, not that it would have been much trouble.
Posted 1 Year Ago
Chad Taylor says..
hmm I think he was thinking im landing on a carrier here! lol by the looks of the approach and landing!
Posted 1 Year Ago
Chris Rowan says..
It does not look like an engine malfunction at all. And even if there was, there is plenty of thrust in the remaining engine to land the plane. You can see from the video that this is a simple pilot induced oscillation and that the crash is simple pilot error. He f'ed up!
Posted 1 Year Ago
F. Feedback says..
Those K-36 seats get you quite high to enjoy the view, not the jet fuel.
Posted 1 Year Ago
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In fact their skill saved their life
No comment .
I can understand the stressfull situation, I m not sure I would have done better :-( .
But the crash clearly result in a basic mistake for the pilot.
Anyway , it is always easy to comment the events of a crash while at home
having a beer watching TV .
But, as far as I can understand the situation, a GO-AROUND would have been a good option after the 2nd bounce. Of course without using after burner.
Initial, after the 1st bounce, maintening a nose up body attitude with iddle thrust ( maybe 10? or something ) would have sold the situation .
Hopefully, nobody has been injurded.
Fortunately no one injured in this event