Apache Friendly Fire 1991

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The footage about the friendly fire happened in 1991 in Iraq resulting the the death of 2 US troops.
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Wassili Stifoudis
Wassili Stifoudis says..
Blacktail is absolutely right, but its really a wonder how the crew survived this shot - if it was an AGM-114K, which has a tandem warhead, the vehicle has first been struck by the missiles precursor warhead, which is a 100mm hollow charge with molybdenum liner, and after that additionally with the main charge that weights roughly 9 kilos.
but i guess it had a blast/fragmentation warhead - anyway, they had a lot of luck....
Posted 3 Years Ago
Recidivist
Recidivist says..
Blacktail thank you for your detailed explanation.i also took balistic lesson so your explanation seems pretty satisfaying;)
Posted 3 Years Ago
paul aranguren
paul aranguren says..
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Originally posted by Blacktail
Quote:
Originally posted by Recidivist
The strange thing is this : they hit the armored vehicles with hellfires and they blown up but most the crew just wounded , didn't die..is this luck? Does the hellfire has little effect or the vehicles have very high durability i couldn't choose...

The AGM-114 Hellfire utilises a "shaped charge", or HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank) warhead, which creates a jet of plasma can slice through thick armor. As most heavy armor (tanks) are cramped inside and firmly clamped shut when hit, the overpressure caused by this plasma jet forcing it's way inside can be great enough to instantly smash the crew to pulp (as well as disable the vehicle intenally, which sometimes will look almost undamaged from the outside after the fact). Light armor (like the M113 and M2), however, is a different story.
Light armor ruptures more easily than a comparitively more rigid tank, which can lessen the overpressure effect. Also, many armored vehicles, light and heavy alike, have hatches, body panels, doors, and even weapon turrets that are designed to "blow-off" in such an event, which further increases crew survivability --- this is most likely what spared the survivors.
So, whether the Hellfire blows it's target to bits, or simply immobilizes it, it can pretty much "stop" anything.


well said and written, i hope that clears up some questions around :-P
Posted 3 Years Ago
'Classified'
'Classified' says..
Quote:
Originally posted by Recidivist
The strange thing is this : they hit the armored vehicles with hellfires and they blown up but most the crew just wounded , didn't die..is this luck? Does the hellfire has little effect or the vehicles have very high durability i couldn't choose...

The AGM-114 Hellfire utilises a "shaped charge", or HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank) warhead, which creates a jet of plasma can slice through thick armor. As most heavy armor (tanks) are cramped inside and firmly clamped shut when hit, the overpressure caused by this plasma jet forcing it's way inside can be great enough to instantly smash the crew to pulp (as well as disable the vehicle intenally, which sometimes will look almost undamaged from the outside after the fact). Light armor (like the M113 and M2), however, is a different story.
Light armor ruptures more easily than a comparitively more rigid tank, which can lessen the overpressure effect. Also, many armored vehicles, light and heavy alike, have hatches, body panels, doors, and even weapon turrets that are designed to "blow-off" in such an event, which further increases crew survivability --- this is most likely what spared the survivors.
So, whether the Hellfire blows it's target to bits, or simply immobilizes it, it can pretty much "stop" anything.
Posted 3 Years Ago
Recidivist
Recidivist says..
the part is that , the vehicle blows up but the people in it still lives.This is shocking...
Posted 3 Years Ago
D. H.
D. H. says..
Hellfire can defeat any known armor. As long as the vehicle is no longer in operation, thats the important part.
Posted 3 Years Ago
D. H.
D. H. says..
*Edited*
flip...my comment about getting what he deserved is in reference to his disobeying orders, not the fratricide. Regardless how the report was written, he did have to get any clearance to fire on the vehicles. Rather they simply followed up on a sighting, confirmed what they were looking at (in this case the wrong direction) and took the shots. No ground commander had to 'authorize' the engagement. The ground commander simply relayed the sighting information and confirmed what they were looking at. He just didn't know that they were not actually looking at the same thing. Sadly, these things happen in war and there's little that can be done about these kinds of incidents.
Posted 3 Years Ago
Josh Pope
Josh Pope says..
i would feel like s*** after i herd the news
Posted 3 Years Ago
Recidivist
Recidivist says..
The strange thing is this : they hit the armored vehicles with hellfires and they blown up but most the crew just wounded , didn't die..is this luck? Does the hellfire has little effect or the vehicles have very high durability i couldn't choose...
Posted 3 Years Ago
Richard Crawford
Richard Crawford says..
The full text on the official incident report is at
http://www.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=gao&docid=f:os93004.txt
"Our investigation revealed human error to be the primary cause of the
February 17, 1991, fratricide incident. The Apache Battalion
Commander, who led the team of three Apaches, read the wrong grid
coordinate on his navigation system while flying as copilot/gunner.
As a result, he misidentified the target vehicles' location as being
north of the line of friendly vehicles and in the exact location of
one of the reported enemy sightings. Relying on this erroneous
information, the Ground Commander authorized the Apaches to engage
the targets."
Posted 3 Years Ago
Recidivist
Recidivist says..
the footage tells all of it..Hard times they both had...
Posted 3 Years Ago
Marc
Marc says..
didnt he had gps to locate is position where he realy is? and check the course
Posted 3 Years Ago
not given
not given says..
the fact is that there was crosswind so the aircraft drifted off and he was somewhere where he actually thought he wasnt so he mistook a friendly armored fighting vehicle for a hostile enemy target. not waiting to get clearance is another thing but dont call him something where the sun doesnt shine because you werent there, i wasnt there so you cant judge it. everything else is nonsense or lets even go that far and call it bulls***.
Posted 3 Years Ago
Recidivist
Recidivist says..
actually ground forces did cause when he asks about the friendlies around , he was convinced about the clearness of the area..if i were him , i would fire the missile too i believe.Cause it's war and if they say it's enemy , then i hit it.
Posted 3 Years Ago
D. H.
D. H. says..
Recidivist...you must not be watching the same video as the rest of us...no one makes him or forces him to fire. He deserved what he got out of the incident, trust me.
Posted 3 Years Ago
TURKWING
TURKWING says..
a nightmare in the night!!!
Tragic.
Posted 3 Years Ago
Recidivist
Recidivist says..
At the end they explain the reasons why this happened...i think it's very hard for the pilot cause he asks for several times but the ground center makes him fire the missiles.
Posted 3 Years Ago
Michaël C.
Michaël C. says..
d***... How cauld happen things like this?!
Posted 3 Years Ago
Recidivist
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